ingo its on other chains, not just eth. The answer lies in charging people to exit before a certain amount of time. No warm up/cool down or whether theyre staked or whatever… a flash bot drops in and sells its a 5-10% hit just like a DEX has a charge to use the service. You hafta make it unprofitable to be in and out for whatever reason… flashbots, apy jumpers, rebase jumpers…… they need to be taxed to use the system if theyre not willing to hold for 30 (or whatever predetermined amount the DAO comes up with) days from their purchase. Everyone has different buy points so 30 days is different for each individual person and there wont be cascades if non believers have to sell at a monster % loss for 1 transaction.

      BobbySchmurda

      The bots also need to go. many examples out there in the media now about how olympus is bleeding it's investors by allowing bots. basically they buy up just before a rebase then dump seconds after. Not good PR for a start. If we take action on this with some sort of charge / % fee then it could actually be quite profitable for the treasury. I would use this income, or a portion of to burn ohm if people don't like my <30days lower APY entry idea. Either way let's please put something in motion and with some urgency.

        Been in Ohm for about 2 Months. Like the concept, but between the rollout of gOhm and the constant price drops, starting to seem like I wasted a bunch of money. Hope I am wrong.

        OberonSky

        Sigh, I am typing this after the major drop we had today… as if I felt this was coming, never expected it to happen so soon or close to home… stay strong Ohmies, like I said, we need to do some soul searching and rebuild with stronger foundations and if possible reinforcement of the (3,3) via protocol mechanics.

            I agree with the people that mentioned a cost to sell before X days. That seems to align with the 3,3 thinking. I'm in the same boat as @ingo where I bought a few months over when it was in the $1000 range. Sure I have earned a bunch of OHM but nowhere near close to even be near to breakeven. Based on today's price (assuming it stays there) it would take 300+ days of rebase earnings to get back to just even.

            I don't know how we do it but we need to stop the major price reduction that keeps going on.

            OberonSky I am in it for the long term but I have developed a bit of a fear when there is a general market downturn. I wait for the next liquidation "shoe" to drop. It is a free market but I wish there was just (3,3) and no (9,9). Those drops are enough to chase more cautious investors away; perhaps the kind that would (3,3).

            I guess the high APYs of the Olympus and its fork attract the more speculative investors. And, I suppose, I am part of that in a way so I shouldn't complain. But I do look forward to the future where we land at a lower APY, as solid treasury with income, and more stability.

              ve(3,3) model is interesting to me personally. If people want higher apy they have to stake longer upfront. Have multiple time frames to choose from. They can still jump in and out but have to be in 1 full rebase period (8 hrs) minimum and they get a very small apy if they sell after just 1 rebase…. if they dont sell it would roll right into the next timeframe. But these crazy in out sell everything back in back out, bots central, nonsense has to end.

                BobbySchmurda

                Yo! So you still want to find me and bash my head in front of my famiglia? Or was that another dude?

                If you will stay around and participate you should retract that filth and deranged threats you typed before..

                    OberonSky youve responded to me 10 times on this thread and another….. i said dox and sure ill retrace saying ill make it my lifes work to dox you…. which has nothing to do with bashing any heads for the record….. squash it my guy. Move forward huh? Dont be like dave craig and cry because you dont like the way someone talked to you.

                        BobbySchmurda

                        Prepare to hear from HR 😆

                        Now listen you smug ass, move on and BS don't work when you say shit like that, talking about doxing and personal threats to people and their families ain't nothing to joke about. You change that attitude and disagree without throwing a tantrum.

                        Moving on but keeping an eye on you 🤪👁🤣

                            OberonSky Lets grow up. Youre a twitter person. Doxing peoples real identities isnt a threat. I just know its the end of the world to people like you….. i use my real name on twitter while youre an anime character. You can see pics of my familglia on my page, bud. I dont fear for my life because im not a prick to people. I dont run around playing the victim card all day. Keep your eye on whatever you need to. Im a regular person not an anime character and i use SOCIAL NETWORKS to be social.

                                BobbySchmurda

                                Move on and don't be like Craig!

                                Also I recommend you derisk some of your OHM to ensure your family can weather any economic outcome. Remaining risk on with the rest indefinitely…

                                That is a solid one.

                                    Do you ever notice the Devs arent ever in here helping us to understand whats happening. Probably because the devs are the whales, mostly, and they created the bots themselves. That would make all this make more sense. They just keep taking the money from us, over and over again.

                                    Price crash we see is caused by devaluation of overall crypto market.

                                    Crytpo itself carries high risk and token like OHM adds another layer of risk on top, so this is high risk asset and when crypto market is falling profitability of bonds is negative - noone wants to invest. Inflow dries out and we have real inflation problem.

                                    When overall crypto market turns round - OHM will be an attractive option again.

                                    Basically crypto market is falling - OHM has negative returns - so people leave.

                                    Increase in interest rate should in theory compensate those who stay but how can you fund higher rate of return when DAO has negative yeld?

                                    Clever mechanism is needed to maintain profitability in falling markets - because this will keep happening if not solved.

                                    This is not an easy problem but one way is for treasury accumulate OHM reserves and engage in price stabilization on ongoing basis instead of just at the low end.

                                    This should prove very profitable for the DAO on the way up and provide ongoing stability buffer on the way down.

                                      Alinor The price crash has been going on long before the downturn. Yes that has exaggerated the problem a lot though.

                                      Also, you point about the APR going up to cover those losses is false. An early very substantial APY drop regardless of Ohm price was just forced down our throats by the Devs and whales because even grouped together, no group of 1000 or less ohm holders all voting together can even match their voting power.

                                      So we all either have to bail out of ohm or let it ride with what they want, there is ABSOLUTLEY ZERO f***S given for the little guy or their opinions.

                                          LilMafia1

                                          Price decline in assets like OHM always starts ahead of the overall market - because these are highest risk assets, it will be same way in the other direction.

                                          So yes people saw decline coming and they began to leave long a go.

                                          Voting with share is always like that - majority rules -> holding majority

                                          I do not see why apy cant go down, it may seem scary at first it will be putting breaks on exits.
                                          When yield goes up - APY goes up
                                          When yield goes down - APY goes down

                                          When people bail they hand their tokens to others those others keep them and yes they get less yield but they can sell those tokens at higher price later when yield is higher and it is sustainable.

                                          It then begins to work like normal bond market - you pay premium for yield

                                            LilMafia1

                                            I completely disagree with these insinuations about collusion of devs and whales etc. these conspiracy theories are pure FUD and I am definitely not happy seeing the discussion I started devolve into this …

                                            The policies are set for the benefit of the Protocol health and long-term sustainability… the policies are not set to benefit the little guy or the whale.. whales who bought the top in October/November suffered the SAME loss as the little guy… one can argue that a whale losing half of their assets will not be as hurt as a small investor … that is a different issue since a whale can still have a good life even after losing half their assets while the small investor will probably not.. but BOTH lost equally in terms of percentage.

                                            Buying the TOP of ANY asset is going to lead to loss afterwards in the short to medium term.. this applies to any bag size

                                            Excessive leverage will lead to liquidations in volatile assets and again this applies to any bag size

                                            These are mistakes investors make regardless of their portfolio size.

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