I still can't beliebe we are debating this ngl 
And yes i am new and my DCA didn't go that well but for the love of god i still i can't believe people are complaining about 1000-500% APY on the original DAO, 9 months post launch, that actually has a chance to make it LT.
davegoldblatt This might not be correct, but it is also not incorrect. For me its a lot about the runway. We have ATM 370 days for runway until there is nothing left.
To go to 1K% is .point 1 still fucking awesome and .point 2 lengthening the runway .point 3 serious money might like a 1K% more than a 7K% APY
mtsireud I think it's true. The success of OHM has always been (3,3), thus holding the price in order for the protocol accumulating assets. This has always meaning largest holders and longterm holders not selling their bags. Reducing APY meaning less ohms are minted for short term stakers to sell therefore preserve the price.
Will the rate adjustment ever go back up? The amount of Revenue the treasury needs to generate is never going to go down, and Olympus has always been an excercise in walking close to the edge. I am all in favour of finding ways to make the protocol more sustainable, but the rebase rewards are what make Olympus DAO, and one of the main premises is that: Rebase rewards will always outpace price volatility, given a 365 day window… So in my mind, we should be wary of sacrificing the ecosystem incentives
Commenting on this and any other "it's not fair to new stakers who are in the red."
According to the gainz spreadsheet, the worst day someone could have bought in currently was Oct 26. Lets say they bought 100 ohm at $1,200, for an investment of $120k.
Today they would have rebased their way to 200 ohm, but at a price of 430, meaning their stack today is worth 86k. Ouch, right?
By next Halloween, looking at the (rebase will outpace volatility given a 365 day window), Even at a $ 300 price point, their stack would be worth 450k. Thats about a 4x increase, and saying that price goes down.
So any argument of what olympus 'owes' to its investors about promised gains. One, nothing was promised, two, no one is owed, and three, even voting to pass this oip which lowers APY a little sooner, people are still going to make incredible returns on their initial investment.
I say this as someone who bought at the end of october and is currently -25% on my investment here
Introvertices Im with you Ohmie. Dont think I used the words 'fair' or 'owed'. I just know that the APY is why people buy OHM, so we shouldnt be too hasty to contract the juggular vein. I bought in at the bottom of the market crash so im calm, gonna keep adding too. I also know that OHM is a claim on the future so no short termism here either. 3,3.
Thinking long-term is what we need to do in order to ensure OHM retains strong value. It is more important to keep the treasury strong than to weaken it to compensate short-term investors. Lowering the APY will provide a longer runway which will also help attract more serious investors and other organizations who want to adopt OHM as a trusted value-backed protocol.
Consider that even 1000% APY will provide gains by the end of 2022 for anyone who is current at a loss (assuming market value of OHM stays close to $300+, but keep in mind that OHM is technically only backed by 1 DAI and the protocol will only burn OHM when it falls below that - so there's the possibility that even at a high APY not much value will be recovered if the price of OHM drops to 1 DAI).
My previous suggestion was to move the timeline for lowering the APY to 1,000% out 8-12 weeks. I don't think 4, 8, or 12 weeks even matters as long as we ensure the runway stays greater than 365 days (1 year). Eventually, I think this should be pushed even further out to 3+ years as OHM becomes widely accepted as a reference for value.
CosmicRadii I'm with you on this. Even with the explanation by DOS this is a more reasonable drop. At the moment the reward is at 5,138.9% so maybe 3000 or 2500 feels more ok. Specially since we are so far from 10milj supply.
And i dont pretend i understand everything. Like why is the a runway of 368 so bad? is that not a pretty long time anyway?
Not sure if it helps but if we had farming i would much rather have it here. Sorry i'm noob so maybe i ask for silly stuff. But i'm here for the long haul and like to help.
shadow not in favor of this, the move to UNI V3 is more important than this. In addition I think LP bonds should be reduced significantly and the some of the treasury funds and yield from one sided bonding should buy OHM and burn from the UNI V3 pools - this is a more efficient use of capital, and it benefits the MC and OHM holders.
asho Unfortunately everyone "vows" to not be short term and understands that this is a long term investment. The truth is that each is looking after their own pocket and running with the gains when they have them…3,3 meant very little to the owners of TWO BILLION TVD, but I guarantee they all talked about it like it was their gospel. At some point when these markets mature, more experienced investors will get involved and less pirates.
Proposal is to reduce rebases and lengthen the runway. Understood. I feel am missing some critical pieces that will help me vote:
I would love see a plan and vote for rebase reduction based on that. I know folks are working hard and a lot is unknown but the unknown is a space I work in every day. I ask for a plan because I want to see the thought process for the next year of how this currency can become what you believe it can be. I am not looking looking for a sure thing. I am looking for strategic rationale. I have advised over 30 startups/small biz in the last year. I myself was a startup several times a few moons ago. I know it's not easy. I truly empathize with the effort because I went through it many times.
Feel free to message me if you have any questions. Thank you.
Great point and it makes sense.
What i said earlier is based on what was the "deal" when i joined so now suddenly its suppose to be changing. Seems "unfair" and not very trustworthy to me. And of course people care about the money, lets not fool ourselves, we are in it for the money. I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I believe in the project long-term and will keep funds here but ofc i will also at some point take profit.
Any how with that said as SAA says seeing some sort of strategic plan , golas, milestones maybe timeline etc will make this easier to understand and vote on.
I have also worked as technical project manager for 15 years or something and really like to see some more facts before i can say this makes sense or not. Also willing to help if needed 
woofwoof The idea is to lower the APY to lengthen the runway for another year. This is not a conversation about APY. This is about giving our management Ohmies time to continue to developing revenues streams and maturing the ecosystem. High APYs tend to only attract the wrong type of investors (I call them pirates). I don't have any issue with pirates, but they don't add value to the DAO long term.
No no no no. Why would we do this at this time? Migration isn't even complete and we are moving goal posts unnecessarily. The Runway is not in danger at this time.
shadow The price is in the gutter bro, everyone entered "2x this price" except for people who entered in April
woofwoof Yes that was my point as well. Your right about the 4000% APY
@SAA In a way it is. The "DAO" is moving the goal post earlier. And as previously asked please if there is any material to review with more details like goals/milestones , what the added money will be used for and actually what are the expenses today vs income. I see only 700milj treasury. What is that being used for? What are our cost for people working + ongoing projects?
Sorry for my many noob questions but before understanding and having answer to these , its hard to get involved in a meaningful way (for me anyway).
RufusXavier yes true (looking back its been over 1300$, amazing times ahead i hope hehe).
In my view tis move will scare / discourage many more i think. If you enter something and your already down , at least you count on the apy if you hodle and stay based on the "promised" apy. Suddenly changing it 5x downwards without articulating the reasons (just saying we want more in treasury is not good enough). just my 2 sats 
