KO-XD thank you - this summarizes what i was trying to say (in a much better way)
we're allowing more speculators to have an impact on price without reaping any benefits from it. Olympus Proteus is already paying a premium to spread across a number of other chains, both EVM and non-EVM. expanding outside of Ethereum already provides access to other ohmies who want to avoid Ethereum gas fees, THAT is exactly the audience that should be targeted, not CEXes
Ser I agree that it is good that GSR is willing to come use our forum, but we should ask for more. We are in the web 3.0 world and smart contracts allow us to hold centralized parties accountable via codified agreements. Smart contracts are the only way a DAO is capable of holding centralized entities accountable in a contract. Frankly GSR should appreciate such clear terms and it would also bring amazing positive media attention to Olympus if this succeeds. We want to set precedents and play to our strengths to thrive.
We should not give this loan for free. We should follow OHM way and allow them to buy bond for the same amount with 5-10% discount.
VerteMorte Couldn't have said it any better.
I'm not so concerned about the "secret staking" angle.
It's traceable.
Assuming we have a legal front-end that can actually contract with them on centralized terms, it may be easy enough to hold them to that point of the bargain.
This adds NO value to olympus. A zero-interest loan? opening arb opportunity? getting into CEX at this stage? what part of this is valuable to ohm
gsr_nyc This is totally uncalled for. Listing of CEX is not right. It's a rebasing token and listing it for trading purposes only will bring a lot of sell pressure forcing people who had earlier staked and selling only yields to sell principal and leave. This is a NO. Community take note, this will bring a lot of selling pressure. Anyways, there is a lot of OHM forks once this backfires, many Ohmies will find home in TIME and ROME and those protocols will learn from OHM CEX listing mistake. Some tokens are not meant for CEX. The Proteus cross-chain liquidity is the way to go, whoever wants to get OHM can get it cheaply from AVAX, the only thing the team can do is allow gOHM holders on all chains to be able to vote.
*CEX offering staking might curtail the imminent selling pressure a little bit.
KO-XD I'm reading between the lines here. Wartull has mentioned a contract. I can only assume that, despite the philosophical aspirations of being a DAO divorced from tradfi and meatspace, there must be some sort of front end potentially at play here. If not now, inevitably for some other reason, imo.
davoice321 very thoughtful post, I absolutely agree that getting listed without proper liquidity provisions can be problematic, as it likely fails to create the conditions for investors to confidently enter the market. Our goal would be to make the centralized listings highly investable. The current Olympus community is about 10,000 strong, but the client base of those exchanges is in the millions, there is simply so much potential benefit for the protocol from broader adoption.
EconomistBeard we will use the OHM tokens to populate the offer side of the market but it is our own balance sheet that will be used for the bid side of the market, think of it as GSR putting up the other asset in the Liquidity Pool
If this is approved conceptually, I would like to see the option to repay in ETH removed. The loan should be repaid in stablecoins, to continue to build RFV for minting capacity.
DefiWolf more centralized exchanges will list OHM, this is independent of this conversation. What we are trying to do is make sure that when those listings happen, the market has a tight bid-offer spread and decent size on both sides. Centralized listings are fantastic marketing opportunities, they will help expend your community in unexpected ways, again millions of crypto users that stand to get exposure to the protocol, it is worth doing it right.
I believe the community agrees, because the engagement on this post is amazing!
I'm kind of surprised at the pushback on 'no centralized exchanges'. The point of Ohm is to become a reserve currency. This means it needs liquidity not just in defi but in more proper and popular spaces. The value of Ohm is in its ability to achieve stability through treasury growth and staking. Eventually, CEX's will be able to stake Ohm, either by partnering with Olympus, or figuring out how to swap to sOhm some other way.
This is one of the most bullish and positive things for Ohm rn.
setting up a use case for tradfi/custodial CEX users with OHM is necessary, and this will bring in more money to keep the protocol expanding. I dont mind the loan, not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, never was a fan of hardline slippery slope arguments.
i urge the community to think this through.
-we lend 25'000 ohm againt nothing. we hold no liquid financial instrument from GSR that we can exercise and receive $$$ from within 48h should they not respect their obligations.
-we earn no interest from the loan
-we allow large players to borrow from GSR and short 25'000 ohm, which is approx equivalent to our sushi LP DAILY volume ! (25m$) we give them full control of the price !
-we give them 2 free calls, no obligations to purchase and no minimum witholding period.
what do we gain ? a few CEX listings ? the protocol needs the vast majority of its holders to stake otherwise the mechanic breaks. when you start to have a significant portion of holders who do not stake but trend follow price on CEX with stop loss etc.. we will experience a different price curve than what we have today. when the overall market goes south the selling pressure on ohm will be huge and what will we have gained ? they will return the 25k ohm (if they do) and what exactly will that have accomplished long term for the protocol ?
what happens if a regulatory body goes to GSR and asks them to stop trading the token ? or to hand it over to them let's assume GSR does hand over those tokens to some legal authority, what do we do then ?
Iceman why are you surprised ? ohm is trading at a premium to the RFV . buyers are willing to pay that premium because the protocol is in growth phase and assets and LP fees are being acquired and the APY will make up for the current haircut in the future (you buy 900 something worth 200 there is 700 haircut which are to be covered by the APY)
if too many holders start to trade ohm and not stake it then price will quickly go to the RFV value
CEX addition isn't the holy grail. we would benefit more if ohm was captured by passive indexes like DEFI indexes
