25% max on Aave .
OIP-13: What % of excess DAI should Olympus deposit into Aave?
Great job for spearheading this, tex. Agree with starting small and re-evaluating. 10%.
In favor of this in a general sense. As earlier commenters have expressed, I'd prefer to begin with a conservative allocation (relative; perhaps 10%) and increase after an initial evaluation period if the DAO decides it's in the treasury's interest.
It would be helpful to discuss other near-term plans or general strategy for excess reserves to better understand how AAVE would fit in to the larger plan. Whatever minimizes risk for OlympusDAO and assists in raising OHM's RFV should be considered!
This is indeed a great initiative. As of the treasury allocation, I agree with those who have expressed conservative numbers (someone said 2sqrt(33) which is ~ 11.5% and a reminder of our favorite meme).
We want to diversify to mitigate the protocol risks, so we have to keep in mind that we will come up more partnerships in the future (remember the rari fuse pool that is being discussed ).
Also I think that it would be smart to always save some gunpowder in the treasury, which would give us flexibility and reaction capabilities in case of a blackswan. So if we want to keep building partnerships in a sustainable way, I wouldn't exceed 15%.
Thanks for the good initiative!
around 10% seems reasonable here ...
<=10% sounds reasonable to me.
What Metrics are we considering, analyzing and what is are thw key objectives for doing this? +RFV?
A data driven approach + structured high-level considerations can help us here.
2(√33) is perfect!
Good thinking. I'm onboard with a conservative amount. 20%-30%ish...? Hat's off to the big brains at Olympus.
Question: should we be thinking about this as a percentage (i.e. 10%), or as a nominal value (i.e. $1m)? If it is as a percentage, we need to constantly re-balance to maintain the correct allocation; if it is a nominal value, it remains there until decided otherwise. Upside of nominal is less management, upside of percentage is it remains consistent portion of the treasury.
Zeus I think percentage makes most sense, since the percentage value is an answer to how much of the treasury we're willing to risk and allocate to Aave. When we grow the treasury x10, the strategy should follow IMO.
33.33% in keeping with 3,3
Nominal with quarterly rebalances via governance could be interesting. It would appear to offer more flexibility if new opportunities arise and allow for a more streamlined process to move funds around should a crisis event / black swan occur.
Zeus So it looks like the consensus of the community is building somewhere around 10-15%. If we think of this as a percentage of excess reserves, there will indeed need to be some active management strategy in place to manage the reserves. Perhaps we could start with a nominal value to begin with... something round like $1M which represents roughly 13.33% of the ~$7.5M in excess reserves right now. In order to target a steady percentage of excess reserves, we could develop a strategy of offering aDAI bonds when under that percentage and aDAI->DAI redemptions when over percentage. aDAI bonds was my initial thought for this proposal anyways and a small targeted amount to maintain percentage of excess reserves invested in Aave will allow us to gauge interest from aDAI holders and grow the treasury at the same time.
I agree with the 10% allocation
these meme numbers are good - square root of 33 rocks
11.33%
I also like the sqrt 33 approach, but mainly because I think 10% is a good starting point. It's enough to matter, but also seems like an acceptable level of risk taken.
10-15% seems good to me with the lowest effort management strategy you giga-brains come up with.
tex I can understand wanting to limited exposure to any one given protocol but IMO what's the difference between owning aDAI and DAI? Two protocol risks instead of one but if maker has problems I'd imagine all of crypto has problems. I agree with the comment about needing to monitor the $ and % amount as the treasury grows but I dont see any immediate downside if a larger % is put into the pool since the protocol can access it as needed. I don't see diversification benefit in putting a smaller % in DAI unless we were to deploy to a more risky protocol like FRAX. That I could understand but DAI is a cornerstone of crypto and treating it like an algo stable or some other coin is leaving yield on the table IMO.
Very rough draft on a sensitivity analysis but gives a bit more clarity on the potential yield on various allocation and potential rebases (plz let me know if the rebase range is off - currently moving +/- 0.25%). I think somewhere in the 15%-20% range is resonable to start with more diverisification in the future being ideal.
Excess Reserves $7,000,000
AAVE APY 2.33%
AAVE APR 0.63%
Total 2.96%
Allocation
Yeild 1% 5% 10% 15% 20% 25% 30% 35%
1.96% 0.02% 0.10% 0.20% 0.29% 0.39% 0.49% 0.59% 0.69%
2.21% 0.02% 0.11% 0.22% 0.33% 0.44% 0.55% 0.66% 0.77%
2.46% 0.02% 0.12% 0.25% 0.37% 0.49% 0.62% 0.74% 0.86%
2.71% 0.03% 0.14% 0.27% 0.41% 0.54% 0.68% 0.81% 0.95%
2.96% 0.03% 0.15% 0.30% 0.44% 0.59% 0.74% 0.89% 1.04%
3.21% 0.03% 0.16% 0.32% 0.48% 0.64% 0.80% 0.96% 1.12%
3.46% 0.03% 0.17% 0.35% 0.52% 0.69% 0.87% 1.04% 1.21%
3.71% 0.04% 0.19% 0.37% 0.56% 0.74% 0.93% 1.11% 1.30%
3.96% 0.04% 0.20% 0.40% 0.59% 0.79% 0.99% 1.19% 1.39%